Celebrity Theology Scrutiny and True Church Leadership - Tye Tribbett Responds

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0:41 This is man to man 360. And now for your host, daryl Anderson. Hey, welcome to a brand new episode of man to man 360. And I'm your host, daryl Anderson, and this is a response to an update of a response from the Thai Tribute situation that was out there and we heard some actually some guys spread shared with me a response from Thai Tribute, from the Breakfast Club piece that we played last week. Now I think personally I'm not sure if the people who shared the podcast or the video clip with me actually heard our whole.

1:29 I actually heard any of our podcast last week and really need to hear his response because I think we've pretty much debunked anything credible from Ty Tribbett, being one who speaks for the church and then two, one who speaks as a pastor. So, with that said, there really is no need to try to dig further into Ty Tribbett's understanding of whatever the heck he was saying, but I'm going to play today. Some was saying but I'm gonna play today Some of the response. I'm not gonna play the whole thing. I'll add the link to the podcast so that you can hear it for yourself, but I want to respond to some things and also add some other parts that I've been hearing about this whole thing.

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3:02 We're on a bunch of them. I don't even know all of them at this point, but definitely go there. So listen, I want to get right into it. As a matter of fact, we might do this without breaks. It's not necessary. It's not like we're on some FCC license. We're on air on internet radio and then most of you are listening to this in podcast. So I might just skip the midpiece because I'm going to keep this one sort of short. We'll see if it goes longer than I think then I'll add the it breaks in there. But anyway, let me listen. I just want to jump right in Now. There's a young lady I listen to a lot. I like to follow her stuff. Her name is Miss Titus Jones. Love checking out her perspective on things.

3:42 She's really good and you might say this is man to man 360. Yeah, I like women who know what they're talking about, especially scripturally. She can stand on her own two feet when it comes to the word, and it's refreshing to hear her. I think she's funny too, so she's great to listen to. But she actually brought out some things here that it's easier for me, to be honest with you guys. It's easier for me to play people like her clips, where she's going to show you several clips in there and I don't have to go around searching for them, when she's going to just play a bunch of them herself anyway. So I'm still going to play a bunch of clips here. I want to let you hear different perspectives from this tie tribute thing and I hope we can put this thing to bed at the end of the day.

4:23 I'm not even going to I'm not even sure if I want to call this one the tie tribute response. I do want to make a big emphasis on the fact that this is why we talk about time and time again month in a weekend and week out, episode in, episode out for four solid seasons for years, practically was doing this. I was doing this now for three and a half years at 360. And throughout that whole time we've been pushing one major thing the whole time and I haven't wavered one bit. What is that? Every believer, I don't care where you are, whether you're born again on day one or day 10,000, you need discipleship, because guys like this, what I'm going to play here today, prove that you've never been discipled yet.

5:09 You have position, you have a certain audience and what y'all like to call platform, but I already explained what platforms are. You don't have a platform. But if you want to call it that, fine. But at the end of the day you have all these things, but you yourself have never been disciple. You have no whatsoever line of standard. That way you can go on certain things you could change, because you don't really know where you stand with things anyway, and I'm about to prove that anyway. So for all of you who say, oh yeah, ty Chibby was speaking some truth, first of all that that's a question mark on you, on the fact that you probably don't know. There's two things Either you don't really know what the church is or, two, you have a problem.

5:56 You're one of the church hurt people. I'm going to go ahead and say that Now I explained what church hurt meant a couple of weeks ago. I think it was ahead and say that now I explained what church hurt meant a couple of weeks ago, I think it was, and I think that in some cases, people who agree also have church hurt issues and in some cases also benefit from the church financially but don't get their way all the time. I'm going to leave that right there. I'm going to leave that right there because I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying everybody. Some of you are just clueless and I don't mean to sound offensive, but some of you are clueless when you're saying, oh yeah, I see what Tight Tribute is saying, some of you are clueless.

6:43 If you're agreeing and you're letting this, that message leads you. You are clueless. You are either clueless or you have church hurt, which there's no such thing as church hurt. But church hurt is when you put people and and groups of people on. I said I defined this before on pedestals that you should have never put them on, that they never put themselves on, but you put them on and then you are disappointed when they do not meet the standard of the platform you put them on or the pedestals I'm sorry that you put them on and then you feel hurt by that. That's church hurt. And many of you who say, yep, thai tribute is right, you have church hurt or you're misguided or just straight up ignorant.

7:31 You don't know. There's no way in the world and let me say this too, because I have friends and people I know who are not Christian. They are Muslim. I have people who are Jewish. I have family members, whether they be in those areas and other different what we call mainstream religions or whatever. I have yet to hear any of them on any platform where I can hear it Maybe in their own personal discussions, maybe, and that's fine but I have yet to hear any of them come on a Muslim or Jew, orthodox meaning, or Hindu or Buddhist or anyone, come on a Christian platform and speak disrespectfully Of their religion.

8:24 I've never heard that. Nor have I heard any of them come on any platform, for that matter, and done the same thing. So you're saying that's a problem, but that's not the big problem. No, that is the big problem, and I said that last week. So I want to play some clips here because I want you guys to understand that we are in a war and the war is to discredit the church. Now there's some people out there who say that Jesus hates the church. Obviously you don't read scripture, because how can Jesus hate the church. I'm not even going to dignify that one with another response. We talked about that already. You cannot say Jesus hates the church. Husbands, love your wives as Christ.

9:06 What Hates the church? Okay, all right, but anyway. So you have guys who make millions of dollars off the same. Now I'm going to show you listen, let me just jump right in. I don't have time for this, let's jump right in. This first clip is going to be just a piece that miss titus jones actually shows of an older clip before the breakfast club from like a few months ago, some things that ty tribute was talking about, which is like what the heck are you talking about, man? But it gave you a clue to where he really is. I mind he's supposed to be a pastor. So let me play some of these things first. Let me I don't know if y'all saw- this a few months ago. So let me play some of these things first. I don't know if y'all saw this a few months ago, but Ty Tribbett I guess people were saying that he was a Mason, because everybody be calling everybody a Mason, and I do think that's ridiculous, because if somebody don't say something about themselves, I'm not going to believe it unless there's evidence to support.

9:57 And doing something crazy or saying something crazy doesn't necessarily mean you're a Freemason. It might mean you're not a Christian, but it don't mean you're amazing, so anyway. So todd tripple was like I'm gonna set the record straight on y'all, I'm not a mason. So he posted this video on instagram a few months ago. Let me play this right quick, because he said some interesting things that that I think bring context to what he said on the breakfast club. All right, so let me, let me play this church he established the church. He's outside the church. If you read Hebrews Paul, god Lord, help me, where am I going? If you read Hebrews, it says let's go to him. Who's outside the camp? Christ is outside the church. He established it. He created it for us. He's not the church.

10:38 Thank you Isaac, thank you Tim. Only God is God. God is not the church. So when you go there and you get hurt by church and leave God, you don't even know him. You think church is god. You think worship is god. You think worship music is god. You think songs is god yo okay. Now I would say, if that's what he meant on the breakfast club, I can applaud that, because he basically said if you get offended at church and you leave, then you've got something messed up. You don't understand the purpose of church, you don't understand what it means to be a Christian. I agree with that. Okay, that's what it sounds like he's saying in this video, but let us continue no, no. Church gathering, the fellowship is supposed to be an amazing place for us to come together, fellowship.

11:20 Forsake not the fellowship, the gathering. Let's come together and fellowship and tell testimonies of yo. This week I went through this, but god brought me out what yo this week. You don't have a whole lot of pastor saying god told me now you got a whole lot of. I studied, I went to school and that's no problem. Thank you, jesus, I don't care. I don't care, I don't care. Nothing is wrong if you're talking about god, it's nothing. But y'all know what I'm saying. Don't put me in that thing. I didn't go to theology school. I only got a minister's license. I don't got an elder's license. I don't know If y'all really look me up, I might get arrested. The next time I'm preaching that you ain't no pastor, you might arrest me. Don't really look up my credentials. I have no affiliation. No credentials and it shows, and I All, right.

12:09 So let me jump right in right there, because I 100% agree. For starters, seminary and Bible college and everything else, I think, is nice, I think that it can be good, but it's never been necessary because none of the 11 disciples then add Paul in there. 12 disciples went, paul did, I guess you can say that, but the other guys did not. And even Paul wasn't really truly seminary, what we call it today, but to some degree I guess you can say it was some form of Bible college or whatever, through through, obviously before his conversion, but anyway. So it was obvious that Jesus used fishermen, the foolish things, to confound the wise and he used them to flip the world upside down.

12:55 So Bible college and whatnot was never necessary and it still is not necessary today because we have a lot of foolishness coming out of people who have those same degrees. So, at the end of the day, this discipleship is still what is 100%, because we, first of all, we can point to scriptures and say discipleship is what is necessary, not Bible degrees, not doctoral degrees. Bible doctoral degrees Can you, should you learn different, higher levels of education of the word and scripture and our forefathers and et cetera? So yes, yes, yes, yes, but do you need those things to be an effective minister or an effective evangelist or an effective pastor or an effective Bible leader or effective church leader?

13:40 No, no, and to some degree I'm not. See, I'm confused because I'm not sure if he's saying that or if he's not saying it, because he said it last week, but whatever, Anyway, that's not necessary Licenses and all that. God, I got that. But you cannot say that you have no training, no discipleship, you wasn't trained by any other men, and then just say, hey, I got saved, I learned how to speak in some tongues and I know how to sing gospel chords and I know how to move people and get them all inspired and therefore I'm therefore qualified to be in that role. That's where we go wrong and that's where he is, because he's a dove award winning or Grammy award winning or platinum selling or whatever gold selling gospel artist and he has an audience or what he likes to call a platform, or what people like to call a platform.

14:35 Therefore, because I can draw people, therefore I should be in that role. That's why he probably is and I would say I would go like I said last week, that's why a lot of them are and therefore you've qualified yourself that way, but you haven't actually been qualified because there are qualifications and it sounds like even you admit you haven't actually been qualified because there are qualifications and it sounds like even you admit you don't meet them and we it's being proven right now as we hear a lot of this we. So I want to skip over to. I want you to hear the rest of this I think some forget that church is made up of human beings. No, yeah, church, the church building is. But god established the church. The belief, the real church believes that jesus is the son of God. Thou art the Christ, the son of the living God.

15:16 That's the church. Whoever believes that is the church. Those are offices that God established. The problem with God established things is that man manages it. I established the garden, adam. You dress and keep it. I'll give you healing, but y'all got to keep it up. I'll deliver you, but you got to stay free. I'll give y'all church building, but you got to have a pastor and people to run it. Ah, the problem with God is people. The problem with God is people. Now I know in context he's talking about people in church mess up, we hurt each other, blah, blah, blah. But it's God created us. God loves people, god loves people.

15:56 All right, I'm going to stop there because I'm going to add my own contribution to that. Yes, I agree, god loves people. And this is another part too, where and I believe, the heart of what Ty Tribute. So I don't want to beat Ty Tribute up too much, but I believe the heart of what Ty Tribute is getting at is I think he means well. I do, I really do think he means well, but I think that he also, I think he's putting so much there's a lack of understanding of what the church is. And to the point to where you can now say what you said, put it out there and not defend it. Where you can now say what you said, put it out there and not defend it. And again, like I mentioned before, I don't remember any of my Muslim friends not defending their faith or not defending their systems or not defending, even if someone else said it was wrong.

16:45 See, I don't remember any of my Jewish friends and family, whatever. I don't remember any of these people doing any of that, of my Jewish friends and family, whatever. I don't remember any of these people doing any of that. But him being the representation within his own realm as a pastor, not only does he not defend it, but he actually destroys it or tears it down and now needs to come back and try to fix it up in front of a world stage. That's a problem, but that's a heart problem problem. No, let me take that back. Scratch that, scratch that. That is a study to show yourself approved problem. That's what that is.

17:25 So let me say I think I'm not sure how much more of that there is, let me play the rest and see what we got, so to say, the problem first of all. There is no problem with God, we are the problem, but God still loves us anyway. Oh, why are there so many religions? Because there's so many beliefs. I believe there's so many religions because God is so vast, there's so many sides of God that people have their leans Now. I don't think there's nothing wrong with a whole lot of that. I don't think there's nothing wrong with that. Yes, brother, Thank you, babe. I'm supposed to be out here till the sun go down, but I'm still in. Could they see me? Yeah, I don't believe there's nothing wrong. Joel Osteen has a lien. He's hey, man your life. Joyce Myers has a lien.

18:06 Yo, she gonna. Everybody has a lean. That ain't nothing wrong with that. John the Baptist is only going to say repent and be baptized. So there's nothing wrong with that. You know what I mean. No, Okay, I don't know what this lean thing? See again, this is not scriptural. There's no lean. We're supposed to be teaching the Bible and the problem is that too many TBN preachers I know TBN is not really out much nowadays, but back when I used to watch TBN a long, long time ago, everybody had their quote, unquote lean. So one would talk about finances. They all talk about finances. That's the problem is that the bulk of who he just talked about there are what we talk about all the time prosperity, gospel preachers.

18:47 That's the problem. That's why you have a Thai tribute here who also benefits from that when he gets a million dollars from Mike Todd and he gets platinum records, gold records or whatever and travels and all that and benefits from that, because that in and of itself proves his level of salvation and his anointing by the success of prosperity. That's what it is. That's what it is. And when you talk about these liens, what are you talking about? Teach the whole word. Teach the whole. Teach the Genesis to the revelation. Why are you leaving out the Old Testament? Why are you leaving out the New Testament?

19:29 Why hadn't you taught the law? Why hadn't you taught about the tabern? Why hadn't you taught the law. Why hadn't you taught with the about the tabernacle and the purpose of the priest? We would have a better understanding of the church if you taught the whole thing. That's the problem. You're not. You're teaching on how to prosper in the world through the bible, and that's unscriptural Matter of fact. Let's go ahead and say it's satanic, it's accursed. That's what's happening here, including with Thai Tribute, including with Thai Tribute and the people he mentioned right there. So what we have here, guys, is we have a problem with the church, because the prosperity gospel has never been the gospel in the first place, and most of these guys, including now Fred Hammond, commented on this too, and with some wickedy whack stuff that was like Fred, you called yourself a minister and we did at least have a common sense to take that title off.

20:26 But see, you have a lot of people because they're in the business of benefiting financially from the church. So he too had to defend. You have to defend, they have to defend. Let me jump over to something else I want to. This is the response that the brother had sent me on his response from a week or so ago or whenever this was. I guess I just want to say first and foremost I never said the church is whack. I will never say that because I don't believe that. Okay, let's pause that and let's see if he never said that. I don't believe a lot of pastors are.

21:07 I think it's a system. Now, oh God, it's a system. Everything is a system, and systems work with or without God. So I think the institution of church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack. I think the religious system and structure is whack. I don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it. I benefited from it, but I learned that God is not the church and once I realized, realized whoa, god ain't church. That for me, I'm from the streets, I'm from the church. So that was a huge thing as well. Okay, oh, let me show what the bible says, you can't even find god in a man-made temple. Wow See, right there.

21:48 He should have actually pointed to the scriptures and cleared that part up, because then you would have to take away the tabernacle of the Old Testament, you would have to take away the temple of the Old Testament. Now a lot of you all say, yeah, but he resides in my heart today, but you'd have to take away 90% of the Bible that says that he did inhabit these temples and tabernacles. So again, because we don't know Old Testament, we don't have our hermeneutics, none of our study of the word is on par. Then we let other people say stuff and we don't at least gently or friendly correct that. I believe the church is amazing. The church is you.

22:28 The church is amazing, the church is you, the church is me. The church is fearfully and wonderfully made in god's image. It ain't a building, it ain't an organization, it ain't an institution. The church is us. We are the temple and the dwelling place of the holy spirit. So we are not whack. I don't think no real church but he did say the institution of the church is whack. That's, that was the first statement. Now, maybe it was a slip of the tongue, I don't know. But let's continue to go on is whack. So I will never say the church is whack. I said the church systems, the institutions and the religious practices to me are whack and I admit, I agree that I could have said it a different way.

23:11 However, the point still remains like and it's not all I get, it's not all churches. I know that I have a church, shout out, live church. We have a, a body, we have a gathering. You know what I'm saying no, actually they don't have a gathering. They're online and they've been online for several months and looks like it might be for a while now. Maybe they're going to be opening up, maybe for resurrection day, or it's already passed now, but they're not gathering and so that they're online. I'm going to play just a little bit of this and I'm going to get rid of cut because I don't want this to be too long, but let me just play just a little bit so you can hear a part of this and keep it moving so I don't mean every church, and I haven't been to every church in the world, so I can't be talking about every church, but the churches I'm talking about are the ones I'm talking about all, right, now I'm going to jump to a part where he says talks about what he believes to me that's institutionalized thinking that they don't believe they're unbelievers.

24:08 It doesn't like I believe, and maybe I just believe differently, so maybe y'all need to hear what I believe. I believe everybody's a child of God, period. If you got breath in your body, you are a child of God. Atheist, transgender, homosexual, heterosexual, thief, murderer, churchgoer, bishop everybody is a child of God. Everybody, the earth is the Lord's, the fullness thereof, the world and they that dwell therein everybody belongs to God. If you have not received Christ, you are lost. Now that's a different stuff. You're lost if you haven't received Christ, but that don't mean you're not his. So I don't believe I was in an environment of people who are not God's children.

24:54 If you don't believe in Christ, you're lost. That don't mean you're not his. Anybody you ever meet, a goth person, a transgender, anybody you meet they belong to God. That's God's child. So let's look that up. And I'm going to end with this because I want to keep this short and, like I said, I'm not going to put the little intermission piece in there. So this is for Our Spirit and for our online radio stations. For this particular episode, I'm not going to have the middle piece doing advertisement there, but let's go to rspiritonline and that's where you'll hear this show and plenty of 24-hour gospel music and get the app.

25:37 It's an awesome radio station online for gospel music and shows like this. So that's my promotion. I'm going to stay in here. We're going to get ready to wrap this up. Let me go somewhere real quick. I want to show you guys something. Let's go first on three, but just for the sake of time, let's go straight over to three and ten. In this, the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest. Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. There are two different childrens. There's the children of God and then there's the children of the devil. Everybody Thai tribute, pastor, thai tribute are not children of God.

26:20 But you should again. You should have known that was this Bible study one-on-one. Well, no, that's pastoral one-on-one. You should have known that. And that's okay to say that all people are created by God, but that's duh. So it was a dog and a cat. But what we got here is you're trying to say things, to say that it was okay for you to go on the show and say what you want to say about the church, because you said that they were all the children of God. That's why he said that. And again, I actually don't dislike Ty Tripp. I used to like some of his songs. I never was a fan, I never owned a song or CD or went to any of his concerts or whatever else, but I thought he was okay. I'm not fans of a lot of these guys anymore, anyway, because they're like this once you really dive into their life and whatnot.

27:04 But listen, I think that Ty Tripp yeah, I think the man to save. I'm not questioning his salvation, I just think he's a horrible apologetic. I think he's a horrible example of a church leadership, the same leadership he's describing. I think he's a horrible example of that. But I think he's a guy who who, at the end of the day, he loves the Lord and he wants to do what's right by God and then when the rapture comes, he, he, hopefully he'll be caught up with the rest of us. That's not a question, just that man you're doing poor representation. If he was one of the CEO not CEO, but one of the representative of a corporation they would have pulled him into the, into HR, and so right now, all we're doing the church and podcasts like this and whatnot we're just pulling him into HR, that's all.

27:51 We're not kicking him out of the company, we're just pulling him into HR and say, brah, that wasn't cool and your way of cleaning it up didn't really make it better. I want you guys to listen to the rest of it, go to the podcast and go to the show notes and you'll see in there too. I might have in there. When you go to these show notes, it'll have some clips of Fred Hammond trying to respond and he just made things worse. Fred Hammond just absolutely made things worse. It's a shame that we allow singers and rappers and entertainers to be leaders of churches from the perspective that, hey, because they are selling so many records or because they're well-known, then they need a quote-unquote platform to be in front of other believers to tell us how to do things, and I think that's part of the problem.

28:38 I think that's part of the problem. But anyway, again, no hatred towards Ty Tribute, but just want to take advantage of the opportunity that people have sent me that clip and I want to respond to it and do a show on that. So, listen guys, go to man2man360.com that's man the number two, man360.com and share the show with as many people as possible. The way you support the show is not by listening and then texting me or sending me a separate email. No, the way you support this show is by checking out the show, sharing it, liking it and then letting people know on your social medias or sharing it with other people. That way, that's how you support the show and then, with that said, see you next week.

29:21 Oh, hopefully. Oh, by the way, hopefully. You guys had a great resurrection day. I was going to do a small show for that day, but it got extreme. We had an extremely busy weekend and never got around to it. So I apologize. I did promise you guys that, but I'll still do. I still want to do something on the resurrection and that special day, so I'll probably still put something out there. But either way, I apologize for that. But listen, guys, I'll see you next week, wow. This episode of man to man 360 is a wrap, but you can check us out next week, wherever you get your podcast, and listen on demand to earlier or exclusive content. Visit us at man2man360.com.

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