This episode of Man2Man360, hosted by Darryl Anderson, delves into the importance of aligning with like-minded individuals who share a Biblical worldview rather than simply rallying based on shared ethnicity. Coinciding with Black History Month, the discussion features a critical look at a social media clip about Carter G. Woodson's views on rugged individualism and the pros and cons of socialism within the Black community. The episode emphasizes the necessity of trusting in God for guidance and success over reliance on governmental systems and the importance of fellowship with believers.
00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Show
01:39 Black History Month and the Debate
04:31 The Audio Clip and Its Implications
07:02 Discussion on Black Wall Street and Self-Reliance
16:52 Trusting God vs. Trusting Systems
31:55 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up
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0:05 You know, if a bunch of us can get together just to help our communities and whatnot, that's great. But as far as I'm concerned, as long as it's like minded people, like minded people, people will think like I think. Have a most likely a biblical worldview like I think If not, I don't see how two can walk together unless they agree And I don't think that we all can just get together just because we have the same mount in it Man to Man 360 starts in 3, 2, 1. You've tuned in to Man to Man 360.
0:52 The show for men, by men, dealing with all subjects. The twist here is we come from a Biblical worldview to encourage and empower men to make it in life through the power of Jesus Christ. Alright, real talk, chopping it up, men talking about everything you're talking about, sometimes it's cool, and sometimes it's hidden. This is Man to Man. Hey, welcome to a brand new episode of man, a man three 60.
1:34 And of course I am your host, Daryl Anderson, and I have an interesting. An exciting episode for you today, tonight, this morning, and it's coinciding with Black History Month. And to be honest with you, there was a clip, a social media clip my brother has sent me, one of my brothers had sent me, and I shared it with some guys. And there was some debate on this and I want to share this with you, the clip and the debate, and then see where you fall in this conversation. I'm not really going for sides or not. I'm going to, of course, show you my side, but I think this.
2:15 Debate is bigger than just with a few guys, a couple of guys that was debating with this. I think it goes to a bigger point of things that you've seen or heard us talk about on this show and on this platform. Probably within the last couple of weeks, last few months, and even in the last several years from the beginning, we've had a lot of these same conversations, whether we were in disagreement or in agreement with others that were on at the time, but this has always been the direction and the ideology and which I thought, or should I say, in which the way I think, and I believe it to be is.
3:00 The right way that we should think and I'll explain this all in just a second, but what I'm going to do is I'm going to play the clip that I received and that I'd shared that created all the discussion. But before we go there, just want to remind you guys to go to man to man 360. com that's man, the number two man 360. com and there's where you can actually follow the show, share the show. And go to old episodes, previous seasons, previous years, and all that good stuff. Catch any videos, go to our social medias and all that kind of good stuff. And also let us know what you think about the show.
3:41 That's a really good spot. Also, if you subscribe to the podcast, you get to go into the show notes. And at the bottom of that, you'll see a thing that says text and it'll actually. So I'm going to text me and you can there let us know what you think about the show or that particular episode or whatever else. So, so good stuff. So let's get ready to go in. I want to play the video that I got. I'm not even really sure what the guy's name is. I'll put more notes, information in the podcast. I'm not going to try to share a lot of information about the individual here, but I will put it in the podcast notes, at least to give him credit.
4:22 And I'll let you follow up guys follow up from there, but here goes, let me go ahead and play the video or play the audio clip. Now reread the quote from the father of black history. Now, the highly educated Negroes who have studied economics will say. That the Negro cannot succeed in business because their professors who have never had a moment's experience in this fear have written accordingly. The inpatient, highly educated Negroes therefore say that since under the present system of capitalism, the Negro has no chance to toil upward in this economic sphere. The only hope for bettering his condition in this respect is through socialism, the overthrow of the present economic regime.
5:04 This thought is gaining ground among Negroes in this country and is wrong. rapidly sweeping them into the ranks of what are commonly known as communists. The uneducated Negro businessman, however, is actually at work doing the very thing which the miss educated Negro has been taught to believe cannot be done. If the highly educated Negro would forget most of his untried theories, taught him in school, if he could see through the propaganda, which has been instilled in his mind under the pretext of education. So what the father of black history is saying is that the belief. That you can't succeed in America because of the white power structure and that you need to overthrow capitalism in order to succeed is propaganda disguised as education.
5:48 Who else did I say wanted to reach us with propaganda disguised as education? In order that the Negro may be reached with education and propaganda, and that he may be organized for activity, the following methods are recommended. Nuclei shall be established in all existing Negro organizations. Colored organizers and speakers shall be sent among Negroes in order to inform them and win their confidence. Friendship of liberal minded Negro ministers shall be sought as these men are at the present time. The leaders of the Negro masses, the party shall penetrate existing forms, literary societies, lyceums, schools, colleges, teachers, institutes, et cetera, of the colored people. And establish forms of its own for the enlightenment of the Negro population.
6:33 Who do you think wanted to do this all the way back in 1922? Soviet communists. It was the communists that wanted to do this the entire time. It was their goal to reach us with education and propaganda so that we can be used for their purpose. The question is. Did it work? This thought is gaining ground among Negroes in this country and is rapidly sweeping them into the ranks of what are commonly known as communists. Thank you for watching. I'll see you on the next one. Peace. So a couple of things that, first of all, the person that he was speaking about is the founder of, or known as the father of black history or the father of black history week.
7:15 That's what it originally started as. And then it later on changed to Black History Month is Carter G. Woodson. Well, well, he lived from 1875 to 1950. But anyway, so let's just jump right into his story a little bit here. He focused primarily on advocating for the study and recognition of African American history and achievements aiming to achieve racial equality through education while Socialism is a social, I'm sorry, it's a political economic system that aims for collective ownership of the means of production and a more equitable distribution of wealth. He actually was in contrary to socialism.
7:58 And that's one of the reasons when you do a little bit of digging, you find out that he created black history week and then black history month for the purpose of showing The achievements black people had risen to without socialism and without government involvement. That's really the essence of what he was talking about here now in black people don't typically use this particular phrase. Cause you've heard this sometimes out there, it's called rugged individualism.
8:38 It's the belief that people are independent and can succeed on their own with minimal government assistance. And it emphasizes personal liberty, self reliance and free competition. Now one would say that that's nearly impossible if you're black to have free competition and you know, with, with minimal or any government assistance. The problem with that, though, is then you hadn't done your research or your history or know your history in the area of what you've heard me talk about this just a couple of weeks ago, black Wall Streets, which were several throughout the country in the 19 or the 1800s into the 1940s is about when they start to fizzle away because at that time you could not get it.
9:31 Right. Yeah. Any assistance from the government at that time very minimal of any, and you definitely couldn't rely on them. And so with that said, they, these individuals, especially whether you use Tulsa, Oklahoma or there were several throughout the country, they relied on each other. Now. Where the debate started with the guys that I'd sent this video to was that they did agree to some degree on what was being said. They just felt that, you know, we all needed to get together and if we get together and we agree, then we can make things happen.
10:17 The problem with that is you're still relying on somebody else. You're still constantly believing that everybody to some degree is some kind of monolith that you have to all agree and come together. And that's a problem because if that's the case, then that's never going to happen. There's a reason why it hasn't happened to at this point yet because everybody's not the same. And, and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago when I said that it's funny that it seems like. Other groups, white or whoever, get the privilege of being individual and deciding and choosing on what they want to be and what they want to do and what they want to believe in and how they vote and everything else.
11:09 But yet black people don't get the privilege and it's not because anyone else isn't giving it to them. It's because we believe within our, in some of our own small groups. That we should all think the same, do the same, vote the same, and everything else. That's why it's, it's sort of small minded to think that we all need to come together and that we should all agree to be successful. If you look at Wall Street, the black Wall Street, that didn't happen that way. Instead what you read, when you read About what had happened in Tulsa and some of these other places with Gurley O.
11:52 W. Gurley and some of these other individuals who established these other black Wall Streets. You find out that they were looking for like minded people, like minded black people to. Create these towns and cities and neighborhoods, and it was not looking for everybody to come together into a group. So again, it looks like black people don't always get the same privilege within our own community to be individual or better yet, you know, because we are not a monolith. Let the group because we think differently and we have a variety of different thoughts and different Independent thinkers and whatnot you you know in the case of black wall streets.
12:45 There are people who are like minded who want to build They didn't want to rely on anyone else, but themselves individually and those who thought like them. And that's how they built these these basically cities and successful communities. And in some cases, empires, right? But there were people who, who would rather. Go back and rely on maybe former slave masters, maybe a government or whoever to help them. Even though they knew they wasn't going to get that kind of help. We'll pick up from there. Right after this.
13:34 How many ready for the man cave? Yeah! The man cave is developed around, we call it the five pillars. There's praise and worship, where we sing a song or two, and really just, invite the presence of God in, get the guys singing and clapping and whatever, and really make a push on getting guys into the music. Because typically guys like to avoid praise, or lifting of hands or singing and that type of stuff, so we really put a focus on that. And then we go right in from that into prayer, you know, intercession prayer. We ask guys if there's certain things that they want us to pray for, to agree with them in prayer for, and we make sure to focus it on them. Sometimes guys will say, Hey, listen, I got this neighbor. Can you pray for them? And we're like, no, no, no, no.
14:14 We want to know what is it that you need prayer for? Because, because you're the neighbor. That's your job to pray for your neighbor. From there, we actually go into the competition part. Now that's the exciting part of the man cave. It just creates that competitive. But it gets that testosterone, bubbling up and everything else. And there's a reason to that, really, too. I've been doing men's ministry now for almost 30 years. A lot of times, men don't really have those men focused things at churches. So, in some cases, the guys, it can feel a little, Feminine or emasculating in some cases and and because of that we want to make sure that there's a Masculine feel to men's fellowship. It's both fun.
14:55 It's inviting. It's also used as a fish bait to get guys out The other reason that we do competition is so we can create two teams And in creating two teams, we create a camaraderie between those guys. They stay on those teams for the duration. You don't go from second Friday to second Friday. No, you're contacting guys in between. Guys are able to reach out. Guys are able to, Hey man, I'm really dealing with this thing. I'm struggling with this thing. So they can reach out to somebody. We go from the competition part and then we go into the work. We go into scripture. We do some teaching and then we break out into breakout groups. The breakout groups allows guys to. People, answer some things or share their thoughts on those same tough topics that was just preached a few minutes ago.
15:40 The word is a two edged sword. It cuts open things. It exposes us to ourselves, at least. what's really happening on the inside or the things we've been trying to cover up and hide. and then we break from there and then we, we eat. That's a great time to be able to dive in and just really see how guys are doing. Pastors and churches don't have a men's ministry. You're missing out on the opportunity to. Free that man from that thing. He's been trapped in that, that stronghold has been in his life. In his ministry allows him to be free, vulnerable, and then free.
16:52 Go back to this audio clip was about the educated versus the uneducated and the educated were those who were. You know, not just higher education, but most of these people were people that were taught through a communist and socialist schools and mindsets and ideologies and propaganda in school systems to think differently. And they wanted black people in lots of cases to become either communist. Or socialist, and that's why you've heard a lot about this in the, what the, the twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties, even the sixties, even when Martin Luther King was around, a lot of that was trying to find out if he is one.
17:39 And we sort of discovered that he had been trained by communists and Marxists. Now, whether he was self proclaimed or not I'm not, I don't remember if he called himself or he was denying it for the most part, but that it was proven that he plotted with them, trained by them, surrounded by them and didn't deny them. So it sort of makes you think that he knew that he was probably either communist or socialist or in that arena and didn't want to let that go. So there was different times in history where, you know, the FBI was looking into him, even president Kennedy at the time was looking into that and was trying to befriend him in that area and help him out.
18:28 But once you realize, Hey, listen, you know, if you're with these communists, you might want to back off. And when he didn't. That was sort of proving that either A, he was ignorant of who he was surrounded by, or he was completely aware of who he was with and and the direction they were going in. So, I say all that to say, because when we went over that audio clip about the educated versus the uneducated, and it was the thought that we all need to come together and all that. You know, where I pushed back was that I didn't believe that we all needed to come, come together.
19:08 I did a show, what, a couple of weeks ago, asking, do black people need a leader? You know, does there need to be a leader of the black community? And that was sort of going against the fact that we need to be herded, like herds of cows or sheep or whatever. And so that goes to the conversations, well, why do we have to all think? Think the same way and follow the same path. And if you don't, then something's wrong with you. But see these people, the black wall street guys, the guys that were successful in breaking away, didn't seek outside help.
19:50 They had that, what we call the somewhat rugged individualism. Perhaps you can call it that, or you might say that they were. More entrepreneurial or whatever you want to call that, but they got with like minded others like themselves and that's where we saw a lot of success. There is another thing that sort of came up with them is, so these guys were saying, well, you know, you can't just do things by yourself. You need to be with others or be working with others. And I agree with that. The only thing that I was saying was that I think you need to be with like minded people.
20:32 You just don't get together and, and base everything on your melanin because if it was only on melanin and getting together, why hadn't we as a whole, if that's the case, if, if that, if, if their belief was that that's how it works, why hadn't we at a whole gotten anywhere beyond where we are to now? I mean, today, because we've already gotten together, we were already melanated, that's already there. It is what more can you do except for ask for more government assistance, ask for more help. But with that, one of the thoughts I had thrown out there, matter of fact, let me read specifically the thought that I was thinking.
21:21 I, I I asked. If, if we should be concerned about, especially as believers, should we be concerned about getting together based on our melanin or trusting God? I want to take you to a couple of quick places here. The first one is in 1 Samuel chapter 8. And in this chapter this chapter is titled Israel asked for a king. I'm going to read I think I'm going to start in verse five and they said to him, you are old and your sons do not follow your ways.
22:03 Now appoint a king to lead us such as the other nations have in verse six. But when they, they said, give us a king to lead us. This displeased Samuel, which was the prophet. So he prayed to the Lord, and the Lord told him, Listen to all that the people are saying to you. It is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king, as they have done from the day I brought them out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods. So they are doing to you, Now listen to them, but warn them solemnly, and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.
22:49 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king. And he said, this is what the king, who will reign over you, will claim as his rights. He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses. They will run in front of his chariots, and some he will assign to the commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties and others to plow the ground and to reap his harvest, and still others make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers, and he will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.
23:32 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to you. To his officials and attendants, your male and female servants. And the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day. The people refused to listen to Samuel. No, they said, we want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations with the king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.
24:15 And when Samuel heard that the people said he He repented it before, I'm sorry, he repeated it before the Lord. The Lord answered, listen to them and give them a king. Then Samuel said to Israelites, everyone go back to your own town. They didn't want to. Follow the Lord in in Jeremiah 29, 11, he states for, I know the plans I have for you. This is God talking to us or at least talking to to Israel at that time declares the Lord plans to prosper you and not to harm you plans to give you hope and a future. That sounds like a good, good plan.
24:55 First Corinthians two and nine, what no. What no eye has seen or ear heard nor the heart of man imagine what God has prepared for those who love him Psalms 139 and 16 your eyes saw my Well, I don't want that one Psalms 32 and 8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you shall go and I will counsel you with my Eye upon you. So here We see that God is trying to direct His people, God is giving them a picture and a painting of vision and future and a bright future and a hope and plans and letting them know, I don't want you harmed.
25:43 I want you to prosper and be successful. So who do you follow, right? Do we follow the Lord or do we follow a king? When you're going after the government for your help, you're actually seeking for a king and we have to be very careful of that. As believers guys, you listening to this most likely 99. 9 percent of the time, if you're listening here, you will most likely a believer, you will follow of Jesus Christ. You were born again, your savior, a Christian. And if that'd be the case, be careful. I know probably everybody here. Or at least a good chunk of you are men and a good chunk of you are black men.
26:24 You could be Puerto Rican and other things like other, other groups like that, but you're probably black men. And if that'd be the case, and as a believer, you can chase after skin to skin. In other words, you, you chase a melanated men to help melanated men or people get out of. melanated problems. And some people may be into that, but has that worked so far? Or we can trust in the Lord because if He has a plan, He has a, He wants to prosper us. He wants to give us hope in the future.
27:07 I think I'd rather say, I see, I can trust Him and His works. His might be more, a little bit more individual. I won't call it individual rugged individuals. I won't call it that. I'm just going to call it trusting in the Lord. And then we can always help others and help help one another. But I have a problem bowing down and begging. Really anyone, but especially the government or some system to give me some cookies and crumbs versus just really seeking the Lord on any of this because if the Lord don't build the house the labor is in vain and so I would Listen, you're gonna do what you want to do that.
27:48 That's not the way I want to go You know, if a bunch of us can get together just to help our communities and whatnot, that's great. But as, as far as I'm concerned, as long as it's like minded people, like minded people, people who think like I think have most likely a biblical worldview, like I think if not, I don't see how two can walk together unless they agree. And I don't think that we all can just get together just because of the same melanin. When you go back to that original clip of Black History Month and about the educated versus the non educated, the non, by the way, if you listen to the clip and if you know anything about that, the situation that Carter B.
28:43 Woodson was talking about, the non educated were the businessmen, the farmers, the farmers. And those who made things happen most, most of the time, those guys were super successful, but they didn't go through a Harvard or they wasn't trying to be the first Harvard or the first doctorate or any of that stuff. And that's all nice and cute, but these people put their hand to work and they had some successful, like I said, they lived a successful life, even in the 1800s and the 1900 early 1900s. So, who do you trust? If you're a black man listening today, if you're a young black man listening today, who do you trust?
29:29 That's the question. Do you get together and get a bunch of people together, how you can overthrow capitalism going to socialism mind in the 2020, 2020, we talked about this on earlier episodes and early season of our podcast, you know, when black lives matter was out, that was a Marxist organization. These were Marxist and socialist organizations out led by women, specifically black lesbian women. So is that what you want to follow? Is that, is that, is that your lead? Is that your king? Many of us chose not to follow that. Many of us chose not to even acknowledge that stuff because we knew, we knew from the, from the jump before, before it even got out, we knew that that thing was rotten to the core.
30:19 We knew it. We saw it. I've done the podcast and the shows from, from season one, right from the beginning. I didn't wait for somebody else to have to tell me this. We knew. And many of the guys that from the All Stars agreed. Now, some of them didn't know at first, but ultimately, we, I believe they all agreed. We all agreed. So, now, if all of us are doing something together, then okay, I'll roll with them. I'm not rolling with everybody else that's doing the Black Lives Matter thing and say her name and say his name and we're going to tear down this system. We're going to do that. Nah, I'm not getting with all that. Most of those people are atheists anyway and hate God.
30:59 We played the episodes back then that they were saying F Jesus back then. I'm not, I don't get with people like that. But if Jeremiah 29 says, for I know the plans I have for you to declare the declares the Lord plans to prosper you and not to harm you. Plans to give you a hope and a future. That's what I'd rather follow. That's what I'd rather follow. The person who said that God himself said that my heavenly father, that's who I would rather follow for any success. I'd rather have not, I'd rather not have any success at all and have peace and be in right alignment with God than to have all those things.
31:52 I just think we need to think twice about some of that stuff. I'm going to get ready to wrap this up. That was just a thought that was going on that I was thinking about all week because of the clip what I was, as I was watching that video and whatnot. So the theme really today is who do you trust? Do you trust the system and the king and the government, or do you trust God? And do you need a bunch of people? Or do you need God? Because the word will direct you, lead you, and guide you. And I don't need a bunch of folks. You can get with some people of like minded believers and et cetera.
32:35 That I'm, I'll agree with you a hundred percent all day. But just getting with a bunch of folks that's trying to overthrow something, nah, not going to do it. And I would advise you not to do it either. I don't think that's wisdom. I just don't. You might not agree. But I think if you're listening, you probably do agree. So listen, I'm going to get ready to get out of here guys. You have a great night. Hopefully you enjoyed this show. Hopefully this will be incurred and matter better yet. I'd rather you if you're if you're not listening to the podcast, go to the podcast with that, you know, the podcasts are always released on Saturdays at 9 9 a. m. Go to the podcast. And I'll put some of the show note information in there about not just the scriptures, but really the video, the original video, and some of the other notes on Carter B.
33:24 Woodson and some other good stuff in there. So go there, what do you think? Go to ManToMan360. com. That's Man to number two, Man360. com. Listen, I am your host, Daryl Anderson, and I am out. This episode of Man to Man 360 is a wrap. But you can check us out next week, wherever you get your podcast and listen on demand to earlier or exclusive content, visit us at man to man 360. com. That's man. The number two, man, 360. com. This is an ambassador media production.
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